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" “When you're left wounded on
Afganistan's plains and

the women come out to cut up what remains,
Just roll to your rifle

and blow out your brains,
And go to your God like a soldier”
General Douglas MacArthur

" “We are not retreating. We are advancing in another direction.”

“It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.”
“Old soldiers never die; they just fade away.
“The soldier, above all other people, prays for peace,
for he must suffer and be the deepest wounds and scars of war.”
“May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't .”
“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.

“Nobody ever defended, there is only attack and attack and attack some more.
“It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died.
Rather we should thank God that such men lived.
The Soldier stood and faced God
Which must always come to pass
He hoped his shoes were shining
Just as bright as his brass
"Step forward you Soldier,
How shall I deal with you?
Have you always turned the other cheek?
To My Church have you been true?"
"No, Lord, I guess I ain't
Because those of us who carry guns
Can't always be a saint."
I've had to work on Sundays
And at times my talk was tough,
And sometimes I've been violent,
Because the world is awfully rough.
But, I never took a penny
That wasn't mine to keep.
Though I worked a lot of overtime
When the bills got just too steep,
The Soldier squared his shoulders and said
And I never passed a cry for help
Though at times I shook with fear,
And sometimes, God forgive me,
I've wept unmanly tears.
I know I don't deserve a place
Among the people here.
They never wanted me around
Except to calm their fears.
If you've a place for me here,
Lord, It needn't be so grand,
I never expected or had too much,
But if you don't, I'll understand."
There was silence all around the throne
Where the saints had often trod
As the Soldier waited quietly,
For the judgment of his God.
"Step forward now, you Soldier,
You've borne your burden well.
Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,
You've done your time in Hell."

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Does God Exist? (Frank Turek vs Christopher Hitchens)
Monday, January 08, 2024
On September 9, 2008, Frank Turek debated atheist Christopher Hitchens, author of God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, at Virginia Commonwealth University. The topic was, "Does God Exist?"

Hitchens was his usual charming and witty self (I, Frank, really like him and said as much), but he did not answer any of the eight arguments that were presented for the existence of God. Many in the audience acknowledged that he dodged nearly all of the questions. Watch the video and decide for yourself which arguments were strongest.

(Then read comments in the CrossExamined blog) from a variety of viewers who wanted to weigh in with their opinions and arguments. Hitchens was a very intelligent man, and a master at word play. So much so that to the average listener, they'd never realize he wasn't answering a question that was asked of him, nor that some parts of his answers actually create a supporting argument for Theism.

Hitchens had a large vocabulary, which he liked to use uncommon and sometimes incorrect words in sentences, because they were longer, more complicated in definition, and would cause people to mistake his use of a wide vocabulary as "Well he must have said something smart, since I didn't understand some of those words."

An example of an incorrect word he used, to sound like he was giving an intelligent response, was when he was talking about the moral voice someone would have after seeing a wallet in the backseat of their car. He said some would want to take the wallet and find it's possessor. Why would he say "Possessor"?

They're not in possession of the wallet. It was left in the backseat. The correct word would be "owner", but that's a common word, and nobody says "Possessor", so that's the word he used, despite it being completely grammatically and definitionally incorrect.

In other words, Hitchens liked to spend a very long time saying very little (or nothing at all in many cases), and with very little regard to whether or not what he was saying was correct, but rather wanting what he was saying to Sound correct. He did this throughout the debate. Often to dance around questions he was asked, without ever answering the questions, and also without saying anything relevant. It just sounded smart.

Hitchens was also probably the world record holder in debates for dismissing himself from having to answer questions he was asked, by strawmaning the question or ad homineming the person asking. One thing's for certain. Christopher Hitchens has passed on, and now he knows the truth.
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